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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 18:45:14 GMT
I've been stopped far too many times for being black and driving which is not against the law. Yep and that is the wrong part. But my advice is still valid. Appear to cooperate, but give no ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 22:15:22 GMT
Cooperation with police doesn't guarantee you anything here in the US. So then we must make them stop. No matter what the issue is, expecting the system to change for you will never work. Yes it's wrong, yes it does need to change. What can you do? Right your MP, picket in local demos, walk in marches, sign petitions, discuss it with friends and in political boards on the web. Do all that every chance you get. But bottom line, when a cop stops you, my advice is the same as above. Appear to cooperate but give no ground. Because you have to survive the encounter TODAY. Ideals will never save your life and neither will wishes that things were different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 1:47:27 GMT
But because this happens mostly to non whites, well we have to continue enduring these violations. And it has got to stop. I do get that and it breaks my heart. We are not safe from police in some communities rousseau. You die if you comply or if you don't. If this had been done to the majority community in this nation these crimes by cops would have ended long ago. It's like a lot of women's issues. If it happened to a white hetero man, something would be done. Same as AIDS research. That's when things started getting done. When straight white men started getting it. I guess I'm hoping that at least there would be ways to mitigate the risk.  |
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Post by Joey on Jan 3, 2017 7:46:30 GMT
When I see local police cars on the hill where I live I always give a 2 or 3 finger wave to them. They always wave back. But I don't say a word to them!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 8:45:21 GMT
That's why we in those groups affected by less power should work together. That's why we have ACLU, Amnesty Int'l and CATO helping us. Researchers who look at the laws and common issues we all face and make the govt take notice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 10:34:08 GMT
So then the facts were simply ignored because of a false claim and instead of the incidents decreasing at the time of the initial study when it was just over 2 times the stops, the police pushing out this lie allowed them to more than triple the harassment of black citizens. that's awful I'm trying to broaden some feminists' minds in another site and getting flack for it. Trying to increase their world POV. Most of them are USA, urban, white, college women and they have no grasp for issues like how important religion is @ the world when women make decisions about their own body. The "feminists" see me as the problem rather than understand how narrow their vision is. It's really frustrating me. I've almost given up. So yes I understand how some ppl clique up and close their minds no matter how many credible sources you provide |
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Post by geriatrix on Jan 8, 2017 11:57:08 GMT
Maybe an organised campaign to recruit more people with minority background to the police academies will help? They do that here almost every year. They actually favour women and people that can speak other languages than Norwegian and English, like Somali, Arabic, Urdu and Farsi, precisely to avoid dangerous misunderstandings that may lead to fatal incidents. But the Norwegian police officers are not normally armed. If they feel that a situation requires it, they have to call a superior to get permission to unlock a gun box mounted inside the trunk of their squad cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 18:28:45 GMT
But the Norwegian police officers are not normally armed. If they feel that a situation requires it, they have to call a superior to get permission to unlock a gun box mounted inside the trunk of their squad cars. Are your officers often shot down? You would think they'd be calling open season. |
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Post by geriatrix on Jan 8, 2017 18:47:55 GMT
There are incidents where armed people shoot at Norwegian police officers every year (around 55) and since 1998, four have been killed in this manner. The police shoot back twice a year on average. Between 2002 and 2014, they have injured 18 and killed 2 people during such exchange of bullets. These are very low numbers compared to other countries, given our small population of 5 million inhabitants.
Most of the people affected are psychotic or mentally unstable with disillusions and phobias. Very few of them are hardened criminals that aim at the police with the intention to kill, so there is definitely no open season on police officers in Norway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 19:14:02 GMT
Same in Britain the cops don't carry guns and don't need to.
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Post by geriatrix on Jan 8, 2017 19:41:10 GMT
cops don't carry guns and don't need to That is a consequence of various nations' traditions with firearms in their population. In Norway, only the police and armed forces are allowed to carry guns outside firing ranges and clearly defined hunting areas limited to the seasons on various types of game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 21:27:30 GMT
Most of the people affected are psychotic or mentally unstable with disillusions and phobias. Very few of them are hardened criminals that aim at the police with the intention to kill, so there is definitely no open season on police officers in Norway. I'd think the police would look into less lethal options if that's the case. Rubber bullets and pepper spray for eg. That is a consequence of various nations' traditions with firearms in their population. In Norway, only the police and armed forces are allowed to carry guns outside firing ranges and clearly defined hunting areas limited to the seasons on various types of game. It certainly makes a difference to a police officer when they don't know if the person they walk up to is carrying. If they don't, there is lesser threat. |
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Post by geriatrix on Jan 8, 2017 21:54:55 GMT
I'd think the police would look into less lethal options if that's the case. Rubber bullets and pepper spray for eg. Exactly. And that's why we have so few cases of armed conflicts between the police and the public. when they don't know if the person they walk up to is carrying In some cases, it's impossible to tell, but normally, in such situations, the unstable people threaten the police with a gun rather quickly if they don't shoot first. But the profession is surely a risky one. A friend of mine pulled out after a dozen years and he is now selling bicycles for a living.  |
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