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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 15:54:15 GMT
Guess they want 'Free Speech' but only on their terms. Classic 'Do as I say, not as I do.' Berkeley, California (CNN)Violence erupted Wednesday night at UC Berkeley -- the same campus where the Free Speech Movement began -- to protest a scheduled talk by right-wing commentator Milo Yiannopoulos. The university blamed "150 masked agitators" for the unrest, saying they had come to campus to disturb an otherwise peaceful protest. Administrators decided to cancel the event about two hours before the Breitbart editor's speech. UC Berkeley said it removed him from campus "amid the violence and destruction of property and out of concern for public safety." Black-clad protesters wearing masks threw commercial-grade fireworks and rocks at police. Some even hurled Molotov cocktails that ignited fires. They also smashed windows of the student union center on the Berkeley campus where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held. At least six people were injured. Some were attacked by the agitators -- who are a part of an anarchist group known as the "Black Bloc" that has been causing problems in Oakland for years, said Dan Mogulof, UC Berkeley spokesman. link |
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Post by LadyPorthos on Feb 2, 2017 17:25:50 GMT
So much for peaceful protest...sigh!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:41:47 GMT
I'm not hiding behind anything. If you condone the violence that took place then shame on you. Peaceful protest is one thing, but that is not what took place. Once again the Nation's youth decided to take the law into their own hands, because they didn't like the person speaking. Their peaceful protest damaged private property, they threw rocks and shot fireworks at Police who were doing nothing to deserve it and oh.. yes.. sprayed pepper spray into the face of a student because she had a Trump hat on. So no, I'm not hiding. I hope every single one of them are arrested and sentenced to jail time.
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Post by LadyPorthos on Feb 5, 2017 1:22:40 GMT
Why is it that the fact that the speaker is a *this word is censored by admin* white supremacist can't be mentioned and why can't disgust be spoken at the fact that such a person even exists in 2017?
And please do not try hiding behind it is the article and not me. That first line is not part of the article. Who said it can't be mentioned? I don't see anyone here stopping you from doing so or saying you can't be disgusted by it? That first line was @justbec's personal response to what these supposed protesters did...last time I looked, she has a right to her opinion just as much as you do to yours. So why is it only one opinion is allowed to be mentioned and that's always yours? |
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Post by LadyPorthos on Feb 5, 2017 19:04:53 GMT
I haven't seen anyone here saying they supported what this speaker was saying, but like it or not he has a right to free speech just as much as the protesters do, even if what he's saying is disgusting and hateful. There is a right way to speak out against that hate and throwing things, breaking windows and pepper spraying people isn't it. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 19:14:12 GMT
I haven't seen anyone here saying they supported what this speaker was saying, but like it or not he has a right to free speech just as much as the protesters do, even if what he's saying is disgusting and hateful. There is a right way to speak out against that hate and throwing things, breaking windows and pepper spraying people isn't it. Two wrongs don't make a right. Thank you LadyPorthos, no one said they agreed with what the speaker had to say. I said he has a right to free speech and was invited there. It's not like he just rolled up and started speaking on the street. All these 'snowflake' whine and cry about their rights to protest and free speech yet when someone else they don't approve of exercises his rights to free speech they riot. They disgust me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 20:25:56 GMT
Amazing.. only one arrest.
UCPD has arrested one suspect at the Milo Yiannopoulos protests Wednesday night and two suspects in an unrelated incident Thursday morning.
Edward Thomas Kuo, a 19-year-old man who is not affiliated with the campus, was arrested Wednesday night on suspicion of remaining “in the place of a riot,” according to UCPD spokesperson Sgt. Sabrina Reich.
“We had given a dispersal order,” Reich alleged. “He remained in the area and was blocking the path of the police, who were trying to move a skirmish line along.”
According to online records from the Alameda County District Attorney’s Office, Kuo was arrested about 8:40 p.m. and booked into Berkeley Jail about 12:20 a.m. His arraignment is scheduled for Friday at the Wiley W. Manuel Courthouse in Oakland.
About 11:30 a.m. Thursday, UCPD arrested individuals who had allegedly assaulted members of the Berkeley College Republicans, the campus group that invited Yiannopoulos to speak at UC Berkeley.
“Our officers … were out on the Sproul Plaza area — just routine patrol,” Reich said. “They observed two individuals assaulting two (individuals who) self-identified as Berkeley College Republicans, who were giving interviews to the media on Sproul Plaza.”
Oakland resident Devonte Gaskin, 28, and San Francisco resident Sean Seuss, 27, were arrested and booked to Berkeley Jail, Reich said. Neither Gaskin nor Seuss has an apparent affiliation with the campus.
According to Berkeley Police Department spokesperson Officer Byron White, the city of Berkeley did not make any arrests in connection with the protests Wednesday night.
Although UCPD is aware that people were assaulted and injured Wednesday night, no one has come forward to file reports with UCPD, according to Reich.
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Post by LadyPorthos on Feb 5, 2017 22:58:30 GMT
No, there was only one arrest because the authorities were afraid to do what they should have done and throw EVERYONE who was committing acts of violence in jail because then they'd be accused of curtailing their right to free speech. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior and EVERYONE who was engaging it should've been arrested and thrown in jail. And btw... So you both can talk about less than 100 people out of several thousand all you want, but it seems that 90 percent or more of the protesters had nothing to do with all the things you both are talking about. It doesn't matter that it was "less than 100" people...however many it was, they were WRONG and should've faced the consequences for their actions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 23:05:22 GMT
No, there was only one arrest because the authorities were afraid to do what they should have done and throw EVERYONE who was committing acts of violence in jail because then they'd be accused of curtailing their right to free speech. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior and EVERYONE who was engaging it should've been arrested and thrown in jail. And btw... So you both can talk about less than 100 people out of several thousand all you want, but it seems that 90 percent or more of the protesters had nothing to do with all the things you both are talking about. It doesn't matter that it was "less than 100" people...however many it was, they were WRONG and should've faced the consequences for their actions. , you should know by know arguing is useless. |
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Post by LadyPorthos on Feb 5, 2017 23:06:54 GMT
You're right, @justbec, I should've known better!  |
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Post by LadyPorthos on Feb 6, 2017 1:38:05 GMT
Um...it would seem you're the one who doesn't understand how the law works. Unreasonable search and seizure has to do with searching a person or their property without due cause. That has NOTHING to do with arresting someone for clearly engaging in illegal behavior, such as vandalizing and damaging property or assaulting someone (as one of these protesters did to a person wearing a Trump cap). There's no assuming there when the acts are clearly happening...we all saw it on the news. I'm assuming there was some sort of law enforcement present as it was going on. In which case, they would have been well within their rights to arrest the offenders.
Both Bec and I have clearly said that we don't agree with what the speaker was promoting either, but he wasn't doing anything illegal by showing up to a venue he had been INVITED to in order to speak. Had he been on the campus without an invitation, then yes, he too would have been guilty of breaking the law. As it is, the only thing he was guilty of was holding some pretty hateful viewpoints...as I said before, disgusting but still falling under the auspices of free speech.
So I think I do have the capacity to fully understand what was going on here, but thanks for your concern.
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